tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4266200265116124990.post1259080180480992688..comments2024-03-04T09:54:17.670+00:00Comments on Goblin Lee's Miniatures Blog. : Bonus time Pygmies and a few Slann!Goblin Leehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14931436821182962785noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4266200265116124990.post-87069615229289629522017-10-29T22:45:16.975+00:002017-10-29T22:45:16.975+00:0090 is a pretty impressive total of Pygmies! And yo...90 is a pretty impressive total of Pygmies! And you are right, they are easy to paint. I did paint up some of the Pygmies on a blog post here in case you missed it: <br />http://goblinlee.blogspot.co.uk/2015/10/85000-views-and-pygmies-with-blowpipes.html<br /><br />Ifound that a lot of the psear break, the spear staffs are a little too slender. I replaced the broken spears with trimmed down Aztec spears from Outpost games. <br /><br />I like the idea of using the Demi-birds as alternative Culchan.I might steal that idea if you don't mind, as I have a couple of spare Demi-birds.Goblin Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14931436821182962785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4266200265116124990.post-68777982594818179502017-10-28T10:48:32.204+01:002017-10-28T10:48:32.204+01:00And I thought I had a lot of Pygmies with 90! At ...And I thought I had a lot of Pygmies with 90! At least they are easy to paint. I've also had to make repairs to a lot of broken spears, moulding new spearheads where lost. I have also converted most of the standard bearers into normal spearmen. Next project it to mount some on Runequest Demi-Birds (like a small Culchan).Redsunz2000https://www.blogger.com/profile/10376784822467274351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4266200265116124990.post-62537336826699412302015-09-24T22:17:48.204+01:002015-09-24T22:17:48.204+01:00Funnily enough I am just about to start painting u...Funnily enough I am just about to start painting up the whole Pygmy army, and have painted up a few the other night. I am am just finishing off the Secrets of the Third Reich British for the next update.<br /><br />Interesting links. Whilst there are plenty of ideas and some evidence for Africans, and many others peoples, visiting the Americas before Columbus, I'm not convinced by Ivan Van Aertimas, the idea of the Olmecs being Africans, the 'Sphinxs' (actually called the El Azuzul Twins', or the Pyramid building theory. <br /><br />As for the miniatures, I think they were just a combination of Zulu's and blowpipe wielding Amazonian Indians, put in the Lustria setting as generic natives. That's probably why they have African spears and shields. <br /><br />I won't paint any Olmec symbols on them, but might paint them different colours. My main approach is to paint warpaint on the faces in the style of Amazonian Indians, linking them in with the South American Jungle theme, and (literally) masking the caricture nature of the faces a little. Goblin Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14931436821182962785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4266200265116124990.post-24880366611053340482015-09-24T13:21:20.077+01:002015-09-24T13:21:20.077+01:00I do concur that there probably wasn't much of...I do concur that there probably wasn't much of a fixed plan with any of the early Warhammer background, just a lot of loose strands that got woven together. Likewise I don't think Floating Gardens was a deliberate attempt to make the Pygmies less controversial, rather than just Basils approach at the time, and as you say informed by West Indian and Commonwealth ideas, although not making a direct cricketing reference was a bit of a googly imho!<br /><br />I've now read read Ivan Van Sertimas <a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0812968174/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=0812968174&linkCode=as2&tag=nightsocouk-21" rel="nofollow">They Came Before Columbus</a> which I think is the main text on the pre-Colombian African-Olmec theory. There is also a <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1ZeK4ecHKU" rel="nofollow">video of him</a> (recorded in London in 1980) which is worth a listen / watch. Egyptian contact with South America is certainly interesting, as it gives narrative to coincidences like <a href="http://www.destinationinsights.com/wp-content/gallery/olmec/twins.jpg" rel="nofollow">Olmec Sphinx</a> and all that pyramid building.<br /><br />One thing about having the Warhammer Pygmies as Olmecs is that their weapons, shields and costume seem to strongly reference the material culture of the Zulu people, rather than what we'd traditionally think of as South American weaponry and armour such as the <a href="https://graemedavis.wordpress.com/2015/08/19/atlatl-a-new-weapon-for-lustrian-slann/" rel="nofollow">Atlatl that Graeme Davis recently blogged about</a>. Not that I'm going to suggest converting them all! Perhaps using some Olmec graphic devices on shields etc.<br /><br />Looking forward to seeing the full army.Zhu Bajieehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13945636483237344750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4266200265116124990.post-41491708245673571032015-09-09T18:47:22.070+01:002015-09-09T18:47:22.070+01:00Thank you for the links. I had read the first arti...Thank you for the links. I had read the first article, but was not aware of the second.<br /><br />The Olmec theory, was that they were descended from Africans, was proposed from looking at the facial features of Giant Olmec heads, and was popularised by some African-American groups. <br />However it was pointed out that the scaling up the heads fitted with the locals facial features. Also that the local Meso-American natives DNA was typical of pre-Columbian Amrerica, and so disproved the idea.<br /><br />That does'nt discount the idea of pre-1492 contact from Africa. I read an article (I can't recall where, but it was from a reputable source) that sailors from North East Africa, from the Phocenians and New Kingdom Eygptian onwards, may have been to the Americas. So the cultural and trading links may have been present. <br />I'll look into Zecharia Stitchins writings, thank you. <br /><br />Personally I think that the Warhammer designers just created Lustria as a generic jungle with lots of 'lost world' types taken from fiction and Von Daniken's writings. I don't think they had a plan, just an collection of sources and ideas which evolved overtime. <br />The of the Pygmy-Alien-Olmec- African, all linked in together nicely in the Von Daniken-eqsue explaination. They then later expanded it more tongue in cheek in the Floating Gardens scenario, to give the Pygmies more of an interesting background and depth to their civilisation, and to suggest a lot more space alien influences to the Warhammer World. It also may have been to move them into the realm of a West Indian paraody and away from any accustion of racism (?). <br /><br />You're also right, in one other respect to the Pygmies. I have'nt painted them all yet! I have been on other projects, but with great synchronicity I was looking at them monday and thinking I need to finish off them and all the Slann soon. :) Goblin Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14931436821182962785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4266200265116124990.post-27940103333618341622015-09-09T11:57:51.862+01:002015-09-09T11:57:51.862+01:00Just came back to this post from Bearded Quails jo...Just came back to this post from Bearded Quails journey into all things Pygmy <a href="http://beardedquail.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/the-perils-of-pygmies-are-these-old.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://beardedquail.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/pygmy-fallout-and-some-good-bad-figures.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>, if you haven't read these already.<br /><br />Thanks for mentioning the Olmecs, it's not part of the African Diaspora narrative that I'd come across before, and it is really interesting. I'm not sure that it isn't "true" - but from what I have read, there doesn't look like there is any genetic evidence to support it (which doesn't mean there wasn't contact of a purely cultural or trading nature). However, in the early-mid 80s it could have part of a wider 'alternative history' that informed the thinking around Lustria. <br /><br />IIRC, the 80s Cartoon Mysterious Cities of Gold cast the Olmecs as aliens as well, which with Warhammers Alien African, suggests there might well be a crossover afro-alien-olmec historical theory out there. Zecharia Stitchins Lost Realms seems to cover the same ground, but it post-dates Warhammers Pygmys. More digging is required!<br /><br />Bet you haven't finished painting them yet!Zhu Bajieehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13945636483237344750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4266200265116124990.post-19914696919739252922015-03-30T18:28:26.138+01:002015-03-30T18:28:26.138+01:00Yes, it's a lot of Pygmies, and it's only ...Yes, it's a lot of Pygmies, and it's only now I realise I have to paint them all! <br /><br />No worries, always happy to plug your Blog. <br /><br />I was looking at the faces of the Pygmies and thought that they looked more like the Olmecs heads than African. There is the Afro-American idea that the Olmecs might have been Africans, but research has proved that to be not true. I've always considered the Pygmies to be pseudo-Meso American and realised that the Olmecs fitted with that idea, as the Slann are more Aztec/Maya. <br />Goblin Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14931436821182962785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4266200265116124990.post-43184549122602944062015-03-30T17:57:48.087+01:002015-03-30T17:57:48.087+01:00Cool, although I won't be painting them up for...Cool, although I won't be painting them up for a few months as I am working my way through the Slann at the moment.<br /><br />I'll amend the blog and you will be free from the social stigma of tab removal! LOL :) Thank you for selling them, it's going to be great fun painting up an entire Ally Contingent, and they looked awesome on the painting table. Goblin Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14931436821182962785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4266200265116124990.post-89211150766461056532015-03-30T14:10:22.156+01:002015-03-30T14:10:22.156+01:00Whoa. That is a lot of Pygmies, can't wait to ...Whoa. That is a lot of Pygmies, can't wait to see them in full battle colours. Olmec heads... interesting observation! Cheers for the blog-plug.Zhu Bajieehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13945636483237344750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4266200265116124990.post-83924347984035506962015-03-30T12:53:51.350+01:002015-03-30T12:53:51.350+01:00Lovely, can't wait to see them all painted. Th...Lovely, can't wait to see them all painted. They couldn't have gone to a better home.:)<br /><br />Also, in my defence, it was the owner before me who committed the sacrilege of cutting off the tabs on their bases!Phlykhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17254310051538681326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4266200265116124990.post-17279572543233232102015-03-29T18:07:12.565+01:002015-03-29T18:07:12.565+01:00Thank you,
it is shaping up to be a big army and i...Thank you,<br />it is shaping up to be a big army and it's been a grand sized project so far. My aim is to finally get the whole army painted this year, including the Pygmies and the solid based Lizardmen, including the Regiment of Renown.<br /> <br />I have tried to get every Slann miniature included in the army, and have all of the released Slann and Pygmies. I also have three unreleased Slann and am keeping an eye out for any other unreleased Slann. It's been fun collecting, painting, and gaming with the army. :) Goblin Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14931436821182962785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4266200265116124990.post-36417897123183156472015-03-29T17:50:51.125+01:002015-03-29T17:50:51.125+01:00Not only is it something you don't hear every ...Not only is it something you don't hear every day, but also not something you see on e-bay everyday, so I thought I could'nt let the opportunity pass. <br />Glad you like them, they do look great all lined up, and will look good when I paint them and add them to the Slann army. Goblin Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14931436821182962785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4266200265116124990.post-85847460119739348472015-03-29T09:25:02.500+01:002015-03-29T09:25:02.500+01:00This is proving to be one of THE great armies, Lee...This is proving to be one of THE great armies, Lee. Not a single great fig eligible from that range has been failed to be included (from what I can see) either in the core Slann force or the ally contingent. Superbly well done!Shaitanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06133644752973972045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4266200265116124990.post-21126614672124181942015-03-29T03:50:51.323+01:002015-03-29T03:50:51.323+01:00"So I bought 100 pygmies..." Sort of th..."So I bought 100 pygmies..." Sort of thing you don't hear every day. Lovely collection of minis and the perfect addition to your Slann horde. I really like the pygmy line. That lot must be worth a mint. Thanks for sharing!Mousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16662424384597893661noreply@blogger.com